Tidbits and Trinkets I find along the way...
|Posted by annettelogue on February 23, 2013 at 12:55 AM||comments (0)|
$39.00 DNA test at FTDNA.com! Is it worth it?
Having DNA on file, regardless of how many markers, is always a plus because you can upgrade that sample at any time to achieve a new goal. Just check with the DNA company to make sure who needs to "own the sample." If you pay for a test, typically you own the sample and can upgrade when the need arises. If the donor owns the sample, then no one but him can upgrade without his permission. In the event of a death, I'm not sure how that works, but I've seen times when this has happened and nothing more can be done. So, if you are getting Great Uncle Joe to test, then put things in your name so you can make decisions on how and when that DNA is used or have them sign permission for you to be a proxy for their sample.
The 12 marker test will definitely weed out common surnames with different halotypes. With common surnames like Brown, Smith or Jones or with adoption events, the 12 marker tests isn't as forthcoming because you can possibly match different surnames.
I think the price is awesome and makes the first step much more affordable and entices more people to test. I am an advocate of FTDNA because they have such a large database and a very reliable test. I just wanted to make sure that people who purchase it aren't upset when it may not do what they hope it will do and realize they will probably have to spend more money to get the results they need.
I find people are a little leary, at times, about doing a DNA test because they really don't understand it and feel intimidated by it. They envision the proverbial "Big Brother" that watches their every move. So the more information they have to wade through at 12 markers creates more confusion and sometimes, they quit, feeling duped. I just want to make sure that those who aren't as versed in the DNA process is as informed as possible when making a choice on DNA companies and tests. If they know a head of time what the test can and will provide, then they will not be as upset when they realize they need to upgrade to verify their attachment to a particular surname group.
I have so many people who ask me how to chose a company for testing. Here is my "nutshell" answer."
What are you trying to do with the DNA test? Do you have a strong papertrail to a particular surname or have you hit a brick wall with your research or do you have an adoption issue that you are trying to work out? I would suggest going to each company and look to see if there is a surname project for your surname and see how many people have tested in that group. The more tested samples there are, the more you have the ability to match. Also, look to see if in that group there is a possible match from another branch of the family tree. If there is, then a 37 marker test will/should put you into that group. If you still have questions that DNA can answer after the 37 marker test, then you can upgrade at anytime.
Starting with the $39 dollar test is a good way to begin with an uncommon surname or halotype group. Once you get your results, if you see that you closely match two surname groups with the same halotype, then you can upgrade to see where you may fall.
Think about the tests like this, the 12 marker test will tell you what make of vehichle you are such as Ford, Chevrolet or Dodge would be your Halotype or in DNA terms I1, R1b etc. Your DNA markers are like a VIN number on a car, if you have a partial, it will give you the make. If you have the whole VIN number, they can tell you if it is a mustang or probe, LS or ES version...etc. The more markers you do, the more refined the match will be, giving you more information and breaking it down to subgroup and often, specific surname group with in your Halotype.
Link to $39.00 test.
|Posted by annettelogue on January 2, 2013 at 10:45 PM||comments (0)|
Hello 2013! Well, the world didn’t end on December 21, 2012, and the New Year has begun! I apologize for not sending out updates in November or December. It is such a busy time of year for my family. Five birthdays, two anniversaries, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. There just doesn’t seem to be enough time in the day to get everything done. Hopefully now that the grandchildren are going back to school tomorrow and my husband went back to work today, my life will get back to normal, and I will have more time to do what I need to get done.
So what do we have planned for 2013? Genealogy Investigators is spearheading a venture with the American Widow’s Project, doing a three generational tree for every fallen soldier’s family that asks. I’m not sure how big or small this project will be, but I know it will be rewarding if it is only 10 or a 1000! I sent out the first information packets to our first group of widows and widowers. I’m so excited and a little apprehensive about it all starting. I tried to workout as many issues that I could think of, but we all know, after 50, our minds and thoughts don’t always work the way they should! I strongly urge all of you to check out the americanwidowsproject.org and get to know them. They are a great group who’s loved ones made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom. Please support them as much as you can. They are exceptional people!
I have a couple of trips planned to get back to the three families that I was working on before the holiday break. Those are always on the back burner, but Itake the lid off frequently to see if there is anything I can add to them. I am always watchful for the names, just in case I find an unexpected tidbit to throw into the pot!
The Ayers project is moving right along with new information coming out in the form of matches in Family Finder DNA. Most of it is corroborating the Y-DNAfindings, but I can feel that we are getting closer to figuring out who the real Mr. I1 Ayers might be. I believe he’s hidden from us far too long.
We have not heard back from our little secret project yet. But as soon as we do, we will let you all in on what could be a great project. Say a little prayer for us that this one comes to pass. It will help out a lot of people if it comes through!
I'll keep you updated!
Good luck with your digging and let us know if you find a great story!
Best wishes always,
|Posted by annettelogue on November 4, 2012 at 10:35 PM||comments (0)|
Breaking Through The Brick Walls
Unearthing the forgotten, we give voices to those who have been silenced by an undocumented life and revitalize their deeds and works.
On September 28, 2012, I posted a comment on the East Georgia Genealogy and the Georgia Genealogy Facebook page, asking those who had brickwalls to send me a break down of the issues and what they had to done to solve the problem. It was my intention of selecting one of those families to work on, free of charge. However, out of the fifty or so that I received, I actually answered each of them, with comments and suggestions. I selected three to work on. Why? Because they intrigued me, each of them held their own unique problem that I felt that people could learn from and use in their own investigations.
Sparks family of Georgia possible relationship to Sparks family in Alabama
This family is so well researched that they have something known as The Sparks Quarterly that contains a lot of research on the various lines of Sparks surname. You would think it would be easy to find your place in such a well documented family. Like I said, you would think…..
The question that was posed to me was, trying to connect two lines, her’s from Georgia and another that went to Alabama, because they had eerily seeming naming patterns with unique names such as the surname Parmely as a middle name. There definitely is enough circumstantial evidence to question a connection.
I assumed it would be a quick fix. I looked through the documentation which makes a very strong paper trail for her line. Iimmediately went to the DNA testing to sites to see which one had a Sparks DNA project. Both of the major testinggroups have one. I immediately went back to FTDNA because to me the family surname projects are more user friendly. I clicked on the Y-dna group for Sparks and began immediately to move the cursor to the top of the page to get hit the results tab. It was gone! Poof! None! Nada!
So, I went on a hunt, clicking every tab, blued text and still nothing. Well, I thought. I guess you have to be accepted into thegroup to view the results. That isn’t normal practice, but not uncommon. Well, I sent an email to the administrator, asking to be included in the group. I explained that I was doing some research for a person who had Sparks in her line and wanted to know if there was DNA evidence that John Sparks born in 1755 in Virgina and died in Franklin County, Alabama in February 1831 and any of the Georgia Sparks were related. There was an unaccounted for John in this tree born close to the date of one in my client’s tree. I told her about the John born in SC and died in 1840. He married Elizabeth /Wilkinson and names children with Parmely. I really only wanted a yes or a no answer. I guessed that we should hear something in a few days.
The administrator answered me with a couple of days. The subject line read, “Request to Join Sparks – Denied.” Really, denied? I immediately opened the email and saw this:
Please do NOT reply directly to this e-mail. Instead, respond to the link below.
Your request to join Sparks has been denied.
I will pass your information and e-mail along to members of the group. If they decide to contact you, they will respond via the e-mail address provided.
Thank you??? I emailed him back, asking why the closed group and how did they handle people who wanted to join that had collateral and maternal lines in the Sparks surname. Women do not have the luxury of giving Y-DNA for testing. If we are unfortunate enough that our relative only had girls, our particular branch ofthe DNA dies out. I am not saying completely! There is still the possibility of collateral lines of Uncles and male cousins
Once again, I waited. When the response came, I was informed that he was the administrator,and he weighed the pros and cons of the situation, making his call on his project. It was more of a“privacy-enhanced” group. . I emailed him back and made the suggestion of placing an excel page up with only the earliest known (provable) ancestor, halotype and matches, keeping with the earliest known male, omitting test numbers, names or contact for any of the donors. Humph! Okay. I was a little perturbed, I must admit!
His final response was:
I allow for individuals to join thegroup (for instance a female joined) who contribute to the surname project fund. This is allowed as it promotes membership joins due to increased costs.
A lot of times, the earliest provedancestor is not very accurate – even though I request it is. I have noway to verify the information so it can be misleading.
Also, I encourage women who areinterested in Y-DNA – or males for that matter – who are interested in aspecific surname to find a living biological male to submit Y-DNA. For instance, if a woman is interested in her 3rd great grandfather’s surname lineage, she can branch off (find a son, or brother) and work forward to find a living descendant. There is always that possibility.
I have done this myself for several surnames in my tree I’m interested in. Itjust takes a lot of investigation.
So, I am, once again assuming, you can buy your way into this group. Thank goodness, it is not a total loss. Some of the members of the group responded to the email he sent out on my behalf. I got a lot of I-don’t-knows,Nopes, and finally, a very kind gentleman responded with this (I have omitted his name because I respect their wishes to remain anonymous.)
I am actually looking into this line now. We have some gaps on our side of the family tree between Maryland and our ancestors we confirm in N. Carolina in the early1800's. Sorry I am of no help at the moment. We did have a Sparks in Georgia at some point. Still sketchy on whether or not he is part of our directline.
My genetics confirm without a doubt, our line that goes to Christchurch England area.
Here is the simple answer I was lookingfor originally. They had one Georgia Sparks that tested and results were (once again assuming) probably on a 4 to 5 markers off line which would make them suspect. It doesn’t rule anything out and they are probably related, but theproblem is how far back does that connection go into that line.
I emailed Judith, giving her this Sparks descendant’s email address. I hope that if they work together, they can figure this out. Just a FYI if you have this surname in your line, according to an *unidentified emailer from the Sparks group* the DNA project is right on the money with the old-fashion research done by Paul Sparks and Russell Bidlack which is included in The Sparks Quarterly.
Here is, USUALLY, a way to find collateral lines. Fill out your tree,making it very bushy and fluffly at the bottom. Then go and join a corresponding surname project or two and see if youcan find a donor from your family tree. You may be pleasantly surprised to learn that you are not the only Genealogy Geek hanging bright and shiny on that limb. Also, you need to be persistence! Don’t give up! Keep asking questions until you get the answers you need or every door is shut in your face. Also, expect the unexpected!
The Glenn Family of Washington County, Georgia
This email I latched on to because it proves just how small the world is around us. Judy emailed me about her husband’s Glenn line. She knew I lived in Darien and asked me if Iknew her relatives which I do and very well. I met most of them almost nine years ago when we packed up our house inS avannah and moved to this pretty, laid-back coastal area. This connection made me want to help my*friends.*
Also, I thought it won’t be that hard because she had the names of William Franklin Glenn’s parents from his death certificate, his place of birth, and found most of his census records. Uh no! This one was not easy at all. As a matter of fact, as I write this blog, Case 2 is not closed!!
How, you ask, with all that information. Well, basically, I cannot find any man or woman, save one couple, that remotely fits the bill of these said parents, even with the names Aughtway and Susan Boatright Glenn. Yep. Aughtway! How hard could that one be?? I honestly do not think that this is spelled correctly and probably is a form of a known first name in the Washington County Glenns, Ottaway/Ottoway. There is one living in Washington County during the time of conception of William Franklin born around 1857. Problem is Ottoway marries a Susan….yep, a Susan…last name Floyd not Boatright. Yeah, I know. It wouldn’t have bothered me too much either if they would have had children. You heard me correctly. You can follow them along as purty as punch during their lives in the census and not one…NOT ONE child is born to this union that is listed with them in any decade!
That leads me to the Susan Boatright that is living in the same area in the 1860 census record. Now, everyone had this woman being the child of the Boatright family she is living with, John and Jane Boatright. I looked at all the evidence. It seemed close enough. Then, I found a will for John Boatright, leaving part of his estate to Susan Perkins. Wow! This is it. Susan married a Perkins who raised William. Of I go on a mission....
Nope! Susan Boatright married a John S. (Sheperd) Perkins…..all right….in 1853.
Georgia, Marriages, 1808-1967
28 Dec 1853
Susan Ann Boatwright
Susan Ann Boatwright
28 Dec 1853
indexing project (batch) number:
source film number:
So, this Susan, the daughter, is not the Susan living with John and Jane in 1860. The daughter can be found in Burke County, living with husband and children. So, this may be the right Susan Boatright, and she is actually a niece or niece-in-law. There is a four year old boy, living with her in this census, John A. Boatright. Ifthere is an illegitimate birth, could this John A. be William Franklin later in life? Was there a wooing of this Susan Boatright by Ottoway Glenn without marriage, resulting in a child ? There are no bastardy bonds listed for a William or Boatright child or just no longer available. I am still trying to answer this question.
However, William F. Glenn uses 1857 ashis birth year in the 1880 census. Sarah/Sallie, his wife, uses 1857 as well. We can find her in the 1860 census, living with her parents, and this year is correct which leads me to believe that with the change in birth years in subsequent census records that this first married census is probably the most correct. Though William states he was born in 1860 several times later in his life.
Back to Susan….I go to the 1850 census to get information on Susan (the daughter) and to see if I can find another Susan from a different family that is about a year or so younger. Well, yeehaw, I find two John S. Perkins living in Washington Co., GA in 1850. One already married to a Susanna and one living with an Edmund Boatright. The single one is the one Susan Boatright marries. But, dang it,no other Susan Boatright in Washington Co., Georgia close to the same age. There are a couple of Sarahs living close by but no Susans.
I am beginning to believe that a Susan married a Glenn who’s middle name was Ottoway/Aughtway and later married a Boatright rather than that being her maiden name. So, we are still digging into Mr. William Franklin Glenn. We may not know a lot of things, but one thing is for certain, he was born. Therefore, he has parents!
Jordan Lewis and James Isham Lewis
Bulloch County, Georgia
My last chosen case is of the Lewisfamily. This group has done all that canbe done to find proof that links Jordan Lewis and James Isham Lewis (both arein Bulloch County, Ga at the same time) as family. DNA proves the match. Now, we need to find, if possible, a paperlink to the scientific one.
The fun part of this for me is working with Doris. She has been working on this family, for I guess, four decades. Sheis over ninety and still gets on her computer daily to check for updates. I can so see myself that way in forty years. Also, my husband and I, both,have family in Bulloch County, GA. It is so interesting to see the intermingling of our relatives over a hundred and fifty years ago. Did they ever think that their offspring’s offspring would connect so many years in the future?
This case is quite the challenge because there are more Lewis’ in Georgia than you can shake a stick at! Many groups have been identified by DNA, but for some reason, there is a naming pattern that seems to be prevalent across the board. James, Winfield, and Madison cross every DNA halotype. So I am constantly having to go to the DNA Halotype chart to see where this James or Madison or William fits.
They have done extensive research on James Isham’s group and have a full and lively downline completed. It’s that one piece of evidence that theyneed to fall into place that will create a bridge to the next several generations. That is the aggravating part. It’s like doing a puzzle to find a piece missing, right in the middle, when you are done.
I have found out that these Lewis’match a Williams group. So, we have an adoption, widow/widower marriage or some reason for the two matches of different surnames. I believe by looking at these lines, the switch happened with the generation of Jordan Lewis or one above him (if we can ever figure out who that might be!). Why? There are some land dealings between Jordan Lewis and his son Stephen and a Williams. There is also a William Williams living in Bulloch County during the time of Jordan that may be related.
I will be making a trip to Bulloch County the next month or so to see what information they have in their archives. Perhaps, they have unearthed some documents that weren’t available on Doris’ last trip there. Who knows what we may uncover??
I have spent hours and hours on this family and still seem to be in the same spot. However, there is still work to do. So stay tuned folks!
|Posted by annettelogue on October 21, 2012 at 12:10 AM||comments (0)|
Hi! I’m Annette and have been doing genealogy for over fifteen years, but I remember my first years as if it were yesterday. It all seemed so overwhelming, realizing I had a lot to learn. Since the success of the NBC hit series, Who Do You Think You Are, I have seen a dramatic increase in people looking for their family. But, it can be quite the daunting task for the beginner. I remember wishing there was someone that I could turn to to help me. I found several people along the way who gave me great knowledge, but sometimes I felt like such a pest. I decided to document my journey and give tips that may help some other wandering genealogy newbie in their search for the next generation. There is so much information out there to find, but what roads are the best and which ones are less traveled?
Starting out….I learned very quickly…Things are not always so straight forward
Ten years ago, I sat in this same quandary. I took on the challenge of finding outinformation for my in-laws. My husband’sgreat-grandfather had left Savannah, Georgia in 1922, never to be heard from again. What had happened to him? Where did he die? What went so horribly wrong? How much can I find? Where do I start? These are a few questions that Dempsey Stoney Logue asked about his father. Being the only person, his only known son, who had intimate knowledge of his father was deceased, taking any information with him. His father left when he was only a small boy. His past down memories had the gloriousness of the mind of a boy with fantasies of a wonderful, misunderstood parent. However, there were several family stories that bits and pieces of the puzzle.
I obtained a copy of Dempsey’s death certificate which listed his mother and father’s name and city of birth. Death certificates can be a great starting point, if the person giving the information knows the correct information. Sometimes you find that there are in-laws,signing the death certificate with a big old “Don’t Know” in the slots where the coveted information should go. If that happens, don’t be discouraged. There are several other avenues to follow which will be covered in another blog.
I was lucky enough to see “Father: Rogers Logue SpartaGeorgia” in the desirable information block. I knew more information on his mother Susie Edenfield Fryer Logue, but it was nice to see that her information was correct, giving me confidence in Rogers’ information. Now, I had somewhere to look. What did I find? A plethora of Logues, but no Rogers was insight! I tried every combination possible, but nothing. No Roger with an *S *or without. No Logue born in 1884 which was the date given to me by my husband’s grandmother, Dempsey’s wife. Everyone said he came from Sparta so wherewas he?
I use ancestry.com for much of my research, especially the early research because I can do it from the ease of my desk. I decided to look through the Logue family trees. I interestingly found a Luther Rogers Logue and yes, with an “S” on the end. I went through that tree and saw there were four boys listed whichincluded Luther’s father. But his name wasn’t Rogers. Nope, it was Asa Lorenzo, hardly a name that could be intermingled or confused for the other. However, there was an interesting brother, born in 1881 named Walter Logue. Could this be the illusive Rogers Logue?
I went on a hunt for a Walter Logue. There he was…W. R!!! Logue in the 1910 CoffeeCounty Census. I did such a happy dance when I realized his middle name began with an “R”. Only people who love genealogy can relate to that feeling of “Hot Dog, I got you!” when you find a piece of the family puzzle. I was thrilled. But wait a minute, he was married and had three children. My euphoria crashed. This married man couldn’t be the man who less than three years later became the proud papa of a new born baby boy in Green Cove Springs Florida, could he?
In the Savannah, Georgia 1920 census, Rogers was alive and well with Susie and Dempsey, but who was that other son that was the same age as Dempsey? Did Susie have twin boys? With a few phone calls, I found out that the other boy was actually three years older than the census said and was a Fryer, a son by Susie’s previous marriage. This census mistake became my first of many and made me realize very quickly that many census takers didn’t have to have any knowledge except how to form letters on paper. Misspelling, asking and getting information from anyone who would give like the unknowledgeable neighbor, and overexcessive ditto marks were used more often than not.
Along with the 1920 census, a cousin had sent me a marriage license of Rogers and Susie that had taken place in Green Cove Springs, FL on May 29, 1912. Rogers with an “S” was Dempsey’s father’s name. But where did he come from? I returned to the Walter and contacted the person who had posted this family tree, asking what had happened to Walter by 1920 because he was not listed with his family in Emanuel County, and Ruthie was listed as widowed. The answer floored me. He disappeared!?!? Twice in a lifetime ,this man ups and disappears. Was he related to Houdini? Evidently he had married into a religious family and felt that it was okay to drink a pint or two on the weekends, even if you DID show up for Sunday service. Well, he was given an ultimatum and left hiswife and three children, heading for work in the sunny state of Florida.
Enter wife number 2, Susie Edenfield Fryer, newly widowed with a house full of young children. She opened a boarding house and guess who came a-knockin’! Thus the marriage license in good ole Green Cove Springs found it’s way into the Logue History book. They moved to Savannah and lived near Susie’s brother, Dempsey Stoney Edenfield, the founder of the largest Baptist Church in Savannah, Calvary Baptist on Bull Street. Rogers spent two years fighting with the 37th Engineers in France during WW1, returning to Savannah in time to make the 1920 Census. But, I guess he didn’t learn a lesson about marrying into a very religious family. If they frown on drinking a pint or two in Coffee County, Georgia, what will they think about bigamy in Savannah? Well, according to his first family, the eldest son set out to find his father and bring him home. Much to his surprise, he found him in Savannah with a new wife and son. Susie’s brother didn’t take kindly to Rogers double marriage plans at that point. So protecting his name sake nephew, he sent Rogers packing. And which way did he head, yes, he headed right back to the sunny state of Florida. This time, he settled in Lake City, Florida,marrying wife number three, Mary Ann Rinear Watson. Until Susie’s death in 1925, Rogers had three wives and four children, without ever seeing the inside of a divorce court. Mandie had the last laugh because she outlived them all, living until 1975. Rogers died May 11, 1945 in the Bay Pines VA hospital in St. Petersburg,Florida.